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		<title>By: eye4goal</title>
		<link>http://absolutelyunited.com/redcan/1019/2007/11/12/wenger-not-fergie-is-right-in-the-johnny-foreigner-row/#comment-353</link>
		<author>eye4goal</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am an Arsenal fan, Ive been at your site afew times and honestly I thought you are better than that. I wont get into your remarks about the number of black players at Arsenal and how staggered you are at their amount. 

Your club has had a golden generation of home grown "British" players Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt and the Nevilles but lately you've not produced other than average players like Oshea, Brown, Richardson and Fletcher. 

Arsenal are operating in a different market to United and Fergie is a clever manager who knows that limiting the number of foreigners would give his team an advantage not for that fact that he gives chances to homegrowns but because he can go and purchase British players like Ferdinand(£30m), Hargreaves(£17m), Carrick (£18m) and Rooney (£31m) while Arsenal have fielded a team costing £30m in its entirity &#38; its topping the league

Beckham was replaced with Ronaldo. This year you have bought Anderson to replace Scholes, Nani to replace Giggs &#38; in afew years you might be as foreign and as Black as Arsenal!

Arsenal's scouting network is the best in the world &#38; it has bought the club worldclass players for next to nothing prices like Toure, Fabregas, Van Persie, Clichy, Eboue and Adebayor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Arsenal fan, Ive been at your site afew times and honestly I thought you are better than that. I wont get into your remarks about the number of black players at Arsenal and how staggered you are at their amount. </p>
<p>Your club has had a golden generation of home grown &#8220;British&#8221; players Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt and the Nevilles but lately you&#8217;ve not produced other than average players like Oshea, Brown, Richardson and Fletcher. </p>
<p>Arsenal are operating in a different market to United and Fergie is a clever manager who knows that limiting the number of foreigners would give his team an advantage not for that fact that he gives chances to homegrowns but because he can go and purchase British players like Ferdinand(£30m), Hargreaves(£17m), Carrick (£18m) and Rooney (£31m) while Arsenal have fielded a team costing £30m in its entirity &amp; its topping the league</p>
<p>Beckham was replaced with Ronaldo. This year you have bought Anderson to replace Scholes, Nani to replace Giggs &amp; in afew years you might be as foreign and as Black as Arsenal!</p>
<p>Arsenal&#8217;s scouting network is the best in the world &amp; it has bought the club worldclass players for next to nothing prices like Toure, Fabregas, Van Persie, Clichy, Eboue and Adebayor</p>
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		<title>By: Elbow</title>
		<link>http://absolutelyunited.com/redcan/1019/2007/11/12/wenger-not-fergie-is-right-in-the-johnny-foreigner-row/#comment-354</link>
		<author>Elbow</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"The number of black players in that team is staggering, especially as it’s an English club."

This is pure unadulterated racism and should not be tolerated on what is a usually intelligent website. I hope that the site's editors will do the right thing and remove these appalling remarks. 

Just what were you thinking???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The number of black players in that team is staggering, especially as it’s an English club.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is pure unadulterated racism and should not be tolerated on what is a usually intelligent website. I hope that the site&#8217;s editors will do the right thing and remove these appalling remarks. </p>
<p>Just what were you thinking???</p>
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		<title>By: Goonoo</title>
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		<author>Goonoo</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I echo Elbow's comments. This is an appalling piece that ranges from general xenophobia to out and out racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo Elbow&#8217;s comments. This is an appalling piece that ranges from general xenophobia to out and out racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabregas_the_King</title>
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		<author>Fabregas_the_King</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello , Fabregas the King from InsideArsenal Blog, I am happy to debate the issues but when authors state that a club that I support kidnap 6 yr old boys from Papua New Guinea, I cease to see the funny side. Iam very disappointed that Absolutely United felt unable to distance itself from comments such as these. The slurs on merseysiders and suggestion that a chinese dictionary would be needed is an insult to your supporters in the Far east that have made your club rich. I liken this stance to the worst excesses of the British Empire.
Well the ManU empire is to be respected, but not when some of it's supporters cannot debate such a difficult topic objectively without resorting to petty gutter racist undertones. Football is tribal by the passions that it incites, add race to the mix, and one can see why people are literally dieing to get out of Manchester.
My article "Could Player Quotas be racist?" can be viewed at www.insidearsenal.co.uk I would be happy to debate the pro and cons with Mr Kibirige if he feels able to, but until then, I leave an extract of my article....

"...What would be the response to a policy that said there must be a minimum of five white players in every team, or why choose white? let us go the whole hog and say, there must be at least five black players in every team. Or even more ridulous, let us impose a quota of three gay players per team. I think that you get my point. If Sepp Blatter and fergie_scum had said, and I hasten to point out, they have not, that there must be a minimum of seven white players in every club team, I believe that there would have been an outcry. right or wrong?

If my premise is correct then the outcry would be, on one hand, that we are pandering to extreme racists, and on the other we are discriminating against the minorities. But you cannot, I suggest, have it both ways. A quota, is a quota, is a quota no matter how you dress it up. The only basis for wide acceptance is that it must not be offensive or prejudicial. Offensive and prejudicial are the foundation stones of racism, homophobia, religious fundamentalism or any other doctrine that is designed to persecute and exclude people who do not conform with that system. The very imposition of a national quota may seem reasonable in multicultural societies, however it coould be used in racist ways in other countries/cultures. I am not about to suggest which countries or cultures I am alluding to, but I am sure you get the point.

I will support any system that encourages the principles of fair play and fair access. When dealing with disciplines that are talent or skill based, unfortunately the harsh fact of life must reign, and that is if you are going to make the grade, then you get there on merit and merit alone. So the applicants had better work hard on improving their skills, if they wish to be a success. I want to see the best footballers play for The Arsenal, irrespective of colour, creed or kin. I rest my case, and would suggest that to do anything else could open the quota system to covert or overt racism..."

Fabregas the King of InsideArsenal Blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello , Fabregas the King from InsideArsenal Blog, I am happy to debate the issues but when authors state that a club that I support kidnap 6 yr old boys from Papua New Guinea, I cease to see the funny side. Iam very disappointed that Absolutely United felt unable to distance itself from comments such as these. The slurs on merseysiders and suggestion that a chinese dictionary would be needed is an insult to your supporters in the Far east that have made your club rich. I liken this stance to the worst excesses of the British Empire.<br />
Well the ManU empire is to be respected, but not when some of it&#8217;s supporters cannot debate such a difficult topic objectively without resorting to petty gutter racist undertones. Football is tribal by the passions that it incites, add race to the mix, and one can see why people are literally dieing to get out of Manchester.<br />
My article &#8220;Could Player Quotas be racist?&#8221; can be viewed at <a href="http://www.insidearsenal.co.uk" rel="nofollow">www.insidearsenal.co.uk</a> I would be happy to debate the pro and cons with Mr Kibirige if he feels able to, but until then, I leave an extract of my article&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;What would be the response to a policy that said there must be a minimum of five white players in every team, or why choose white? let us go the whole hog and say, there must be at least five black players in every team. Or even more ridulous, let us impose a quota of three gay players per team. I think that you get my point. If Sepp Blatter and fergie_scum had said, and I hasten to point out, they have not, that there must be a minimum of seven white players in every club team, I believe that there would have been an outcry. right or wrong?</p>
<p>If my premise is correct then the outcry would be, on one hand, that we are pandering to extreme racists, and on the other we are discriminating against the minorities. But you cannot, I suggest, have it both ways. A quota, is a quota, is a quota no matter how you dress it up. The only basis for wide acceptance is that it must not be offensive or prejudicial. Offensive and prejudicial are the foundation stones of racism, homophobia, religious fundamentalism or any other doctrine that is designed to persecute and exclude people who do not conform with that system. The very imposition of a national quota may seem reasonable in multicultural societies, however it coould be used in racist ways in other countries/cultures. I am not about to suggest which countries or cultures I am alluding to, but I am sure you get the point.</p>
<p>I will support any system that encourages the principles of fair play and fair access. When dealing with disciplines that are talent or skill based, unfortunately the harsh fact of life must reign, and that is if you are going to make the grade, then you get there on merit and merit alone. So the applicants had better work hard on improving their skills, if they wish to be a success. I want to see the best footballers play for The Arsenal, irrespective of colour, creed or kin. I rest my case, and would suggest that to do anything else could open the quota system to covert or overt racism&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Fabregas the King of InsideArsenal Blog</p>
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		<title>By: Anti Racist</title>
		<link>http://absolutelyunited.com/redcan/1019/2007/11/12/wenger-not-fergie-is-right-in-the-johnny-foreigner-row/#comment-358</link>
		<author>Anti Racist</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This site is a disgrace.  I have reported it and I hope that the author of this piece of shit article is found by the powers that be at Old Trafford and they do the decent thing and ban the racist cunt for life from all grounds.

And the hypocritical prick has the neck to think united are some saviour of the national team, the day after the fuckin prick watched his team with how many english players??? I think if you add it up you will find it amounts to the same amount of people as Walcott and Hoyte.

Do us all a favour writer, find a nice motorway bridge and take a good jump you racist pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site is a disgrace.  I have reported it and I hope that the author of this piece of shit article is found by the powers that be at Old Trafford and they do the decent thing and ban the racist cunt for life from all grounds.</p>
<p>And the hypocritical prick has the neck to think united are some saviour of the national team, the day after the fuckin prick watched his team with how many english players??? I think if you add it up you will find it amounts to the same amount of people as Walcott and Hoyte.</p>
<p>Do us all a favour writer, find a nice motorway bridge and take a good jump you racist pig.</p>
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		<title>By: seba</title>
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		<author>seba</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If this article is an example of 'Manchester United Football Intelligence', then god help you all. Despite the author's attempt at an apology two articles later,  which was at best rather pathetic and probably forced upon him by the editor, this piece of 'journalism' is breathtaking in its lack of touch with the modern world.

"The number of black players in that team is staggering, especially as it’s an English club."
- The author clearly feels that black does not equal English. What decade are you living in sir? A truly shocking statement.

Clearly the inference was to the number of foreign players in the Arsenal side; your writer however equates foreign with 'black'. Hleb, Rosicky, Fabregas, Clichy, Almunia, Flamini and Bendtner were all on the pitch for Arsenal last night - all of them foreign - all of them white. And yet your writer chooses to write "black players", to focus on the colour of a player's skin rather than his country of origin, which was actually the point of both Blatter and Ferguson's remarks.

"As Arsenal continue to kidnap young six year old boys from Papa Nu Guinea..."
- It doesn't take a genius to see where the inspiration for this comment has come from, but I won't even go there.
Just about every team in the Premiership is recruiting young talented players at a very young age, and I'm sure United are no exception to this. Besides, what difference would it make whether a player came from Papua New Guinea (note spelling), Argentina, or Ireland? All three would be foreigners, and your highest-profile signing of the summer not to mention your talismanic treble-winning captain would all be in that category. But no, Papua New Guinea is chosen as the target, no doubt due to the fact that many inhabitants are what Mr Kibirige would term as 'black'.

I would be taking this very seriously indeed if I was the editor of this website, for the sake of its reputation and for the sake of the countless United fans that read it who have very different views on race to Henry Kibirige. Oh, by the way, that surname doesn't sound very English, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this article is an example of &#8216;Manchester United Football Intelligence&#8217;, then god help you all. Despite the author&#8217;s attempt at an apology two articles later,  which was at best rather pathetic and probably forced upon him by the editor, this piece of &#8216;journalism&#8217; is breathtaking in its lack of touch with the modern world.</p>
<p>&#8220;The number of black players in that team is staggering, especially as it’s an English club.&#8221;<br />
- The author clearly feels that black does not equal English. What decade are you living in sir? A truly shocking statement.</p>
<p>Clearly the inference was to the number of foreign players in the Arsenal side; your writer however equates foreign with &#8216;black&#8217;. Hleb, Rosicky, Fabregas, Clichy, Almunia, Flamini and Bendtner were all on the pitch for Arsenal last night - all of them foreign - all of them white. And yet your writer chooses to write &#8220;black players&#8221;, to focus on the colour of a player&#8217;s skin rather than his country of origin, which was actually the point of both Blatter and Ferguson&#8217;s remarks.</p>
<p>&#8220;As Arsenal continue to kidnap young six year old boys from Papa Nu Guinea&#8230;&#8221;<br />
- It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to see where the inspiration for this comment has come from, but I won&#8217;t even go there.<br />
Just about every team in the Premiership is recruiting young talented players at a very young age, and I&#8217;m sure United are no exception to this. Besides, what difference would it make whether a player came from Papua New Guinea (note spelling), Argentina, or Ireland? All three would be foreigners, and your highest-profile signing of the summer not to mention your talismanic treble-winning captain would all be in that category. But no, Papua New Guinea is chosen as the target, no doubt due to the fact that many inhabitants are what Mr Kibirige would term as &#8216;black&#8217;.</p>
<p>I would be taking this very seriously indeed if I was the editor of this website, for the sake of its reputation and for the sake of the countless United fans that read it who have very different views on race to Henry Kibirige. Oh, by the way, that surname doesn&#8217;t sound very English, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<author>henry</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OK. I am the author of the foreign players article, and I am writng this to emphasise how apologetic I am for writing that.

 The whole point of the article was to correspond on the changes in football that are happening in the sense of foreign players in the Prem.

 I wrote it in a very inaccurate way, which truned out to be a rascist way. This I assure you, was not meant to happen. I wrote this article without a thought for anyone else and I truly appologise for that. 

  I don't want to use this as an excuse, but as I am a teenage lad, I haven't that much experience of the 'real world', and I haven't had time to make mistakes and learn from them. This is a mistake I have made, and will definately learn from it.

 And, rightly pointed out by Seba, my second name suggests that I am not English, I am actually a black African, so that highlights that I am not discriminating black people.

 Please reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I am the author of the foreign players article, and I am writng this to emphasise how apologetic I am for writing that.</p>
<p> The whole point of the article was to correspond on the changes in football that are happening in the sense of foreign players in the Prem.</p>
<p> I wrote it in a very inaccurate way, which truned out to be a rascist way. This I assure you, was not meant to happen. I wrote this article without a thought for anyone else and I truly appologise for that. </p>
<p>  I don&#8217;t want to use this as an excuse, but as I am a teenage lad, I haven&#8217;t that much experience of the &#8216;real world&#8217;, and I haven&#8217;t had time to make mistakes and learn from them. This is a mistake I have made, and will definately learn from it.</p>
<p> And, rightly pointed out by Seba, my second name suggests that I am not English, I am actually a black African, so that highlights that I am not discriminating black people.</p>
<p> Please reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti Racist</title>
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		<author>Anti Racist</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bollox! No black person would write that crap, a prick looking for a way out would.

Note how many utd. fans responded to this article or the bullshit apology piece, they have obviously read it and are too embarressed to even think about entering a debate on the subject.  You are on your own cunts, shut down this racist propaganda spewing site for good, nobody would want hear your views anymore, you are done you racist pigs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bollox! No black person would write that crap, a prick looking for a way out would.</p>
<p>Note how many utd. fans responded to this article or the bullshit apology piece, they have obviously read it and are too embarressed to even think about entering a debate on the subject.  You are on your own cunts, shut down this racist propaganda spewing site for good, nobody would want hear your views anymore, you are done you racist pigs.</p>
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		<title>By: upyercockersombrero</title>
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		<author>upyercockersombrero</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>shocking idiotic and what you'd expect from a united fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shocking idiotic and what you&#8217;d expect from a united fan</p>
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